[email protected] replied – Feb 14, 7:35pm
This is the first time at your store.
I love it!
I have 2 White Bellied Caiques (WBC) and a Green Cheek Conure (GCC).
One of my WBC, Jaden, has the Bornavirus and has been near death many times his first year and a half.
We upped his Celebrex and he’s been free of symptoms for 11 months.
He only gets Harrison’s High Potency with some soft fruits.
We don’t want his tummy to get aggravated in the least.
So unfortunately he doesn’t get seed treats or anything else.
We are always looking for treats that won’t hurt his stomach .
I noticed Goldenfeast Goldn’obles II and am thinking about getting him some.
Do you have any other suggestions for other treats that don’t have hard seeds in them or even bits of seed with the exception of ones that have been ground up which is OK like Harrison‘s type granular?
Do you have other customers that have a bird with Borna virus and are there any things we can learn from what works for their birds as far as treats go ?
Do you have any samples of anything that the companies give to you but we might try before we buy a big bag of something treat wise for Jaden ?
Any suggestions are always welcome as we’re always learning to improve our birds health and vitality .
Thank you so very much,
Hey Jon – WOW!
First a little housekeeping.
Bornavirus generally affects nerve cells and is considered a neurotropic virus similar to rabies, herpes virus, Poliovirus, and Japanese Encephalitis.
Its name comes from the town of Borna in Saxony, Germany where the bornavirus was discovered circa 1885 in cavalry horses.
Many domestic and feral animals can get it like horses, cattle, sheep, birds, dogs and even foxes
In the year 2000 the Swedes isolated BVD from wild birds like mallards and jackdaws.
Ostrich farms in Australia have even seen BVD cases as well
In 2008 Bornavirus was found in pet birds by researchers catUCSF while studying Proventricular Dilatation Disease (PDD)
The scientists were able to isolate a negative-stranded RNA virus which turned out to be part of the Bornaviridae family which was then aptly named ‘Avian Bornavirus’ (ABV).
Without getting any more technical the disease prevents animals to digest their food properly.
PDD causes a severely dilated thinwall of the proventriculus which may rupture which means undigested food will find its way in to the birds abdominal cavity which does nothing but trigger infection and oftentimes death.
What’s interesting the lab that we used for DNA testing received feathers from six birds and five of the six tested positive for ABV and although the birds had no rapid weight changes in either direction all the birds were pluckers.
A preventative measure would be to have your bird tested to help prevent the disease not spreading
If the bird tested positive you’re going to want to disinfect the contaminated area using an oxidizer solution like diluted bleach 50 parts to one a little dish soap wouldn’t help because it will act as a wetting agent
Unfortunately ABV has no treatment that we know of your vet can test for AVV/PDD which we would suggest especially one bring in a new bird into the house
I already bought the product from you and tried it on my Caique. He didn’t like it?
Do you have any suggestions or samples?
He’s on a strict diet so unless it works for a treat/training it will be money lost.
Thanks for your help,
Kudos for your your efforts in saving this bird going to great lengths.
Just a note about Harrison’s Organic and non GMO bird food pellets – typically after six months they recommend migrating from High Potency to Daily Maintenance
Pellets are counterintuitive to birds and they will not always readily accept them as you can see but there’s a few things you can do.
Moisten them with the juice like apple juice or orange juice.
Pull all other food out of the cage at night leaving only the pellets. Many birds enjoy middle of the night snacks so this may work
You can also try to create a forging box using hard plastic bird toy parts rather than shreddables would could be swallowed
It would look something like this but thew bottom would contain only pellets
In speaking with Goldenfeast, I learned when Goldn’obles II was developed, a lot of product was given away to veterinarians for testing.
The product was well received. One of the benefits is that it is extruded using steam.
I also reached out to Melanie at HARI Hagen head of customer service.
Also a bird companion and breeder for 25 years.
This was her response:
Since the proteins are much easier to digest, this will help with nutrient assimilation in the bird’s body.
It’s also helpful that Hagen Alternative Formula ingredients include montmorillitnite clay-which also soothes GI tract.
The clay is a mid-ingredient in the Alternative, so I would also suggest sprinkling Hagen HARI Clay-Cal™ on this bird’s soft foods once or twice a week.
Customer needs to tell vet that she is offering the clay just in case the bird has to be on antibiotic.
Hope that helps